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	<title>Comments on: Dr Zakir Naik&#8217;s Jawdropping Logic: 2+2=4 or Is It?</title>
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		<title>By: Apollo</title>
		<link>http://hawkeyeindia.wordpress.com/2006/12/02/dr-zakir-naiks-jawdropping-logic-224-or-is-it/#comment-4068</link>
		<dc:creator>Apollo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 15:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok. I will be now disabling comments on this post since the discussion on this topic has gone on and on for a long enough time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok. I will be now disabling comments on this post since the discussion on this topic has gone on and on for a long enough time.</p>
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		<title>By: True Citizen of the World</title>
		<link>http://hawkeyeindia.wordpress.com/2006/12/02/dr-zakir-naiks-jawdropping-logic-224-or-is-it/#comment-4067</link>
		<dc:creator>True Citizen of the World</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 14:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Muslimah, you have absolutely no knowledge of science and Darwin&#039;s Evolution. And one can see that Quran has totally blinded you so you can&#039;t see what is true.

With the discovery of genetics, Darwin&#039;s evolution is yet proven again and now we have even discovered how birds evolved from dinosaurs. With each new discovery of fossils, Darwin&#039;s Evolution gets provn again and again.

Evolution is such a slow process that it has taken 4 billion years for species like humans to evolve. Human skeletons found over 50,000 years old are slightly different from modern humans as our forehead has become broader than them. This is evidence that we are evolving.

In evolution only such parts or limbs develop that are not &quot;irreducably complex&quot;. For example wheel is one such thing that is irreducably complex and hence we don&#039;t see any species that has wheels. If species are created by Allah, why is Allah so dumb as not to see the benefits of wheel, so why hasn&#039;t this Allah made any species with wheels instead of legs. Does Allah lack knowledge of wheels? The reason is that Allah doesn&#039;t exist so how can he design wheels.

We evolve, that&#039;s now beyond doubt, so it would be wise to kick out the likes of Zakir Naik and stop their nonsense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Muslimah, you have absolutely no knowledge of science and Darwin&#8217;s Evolution. And one can see that Quran has totally blinded you so you can&#8217;t see what is true.</p>
<p>With the discovery of genetics, Darwin&#8217;s evolution is yet proven again and now we have even discovered how birds evolved from dinosaurs. With each new discovery of fossils, Darwin&#8217;s Evolution gets provn again and again.</p>
<p>Evolution is such a slow process that it has taken 4 billion years for species like humans to evolve. Human skeletons found over 50,000 years old are slightly different from modern humans as our forehead has become broader than them. This is evidence that we are evolving.</p>
<p>In evolution only such parts or limbs develop that are not &#8220;irreducably complex&#8221;. For example wheel is one such thing that is irreducably complex and hence we don&#8217;t see any species that has wheels. If species are created by Allah, why is Allah so dumb as not to see the benefits of wheel, so why hasn&#8217;t this Allah made any species with wheels instead of legs. Does Allah lack knowledge of wheels? The reason is that Allah doesn&#8217;t exist so how can he design wheels.</p>
<p>We evolve, that&#8217;s now beyond doubt, so it would be wise to kick out the likes of Zakir Naik and stop their nonsense.</p>
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		<title>By: Muslimah</title>
		<link>http://hawkeyeindia.wordpress.com/2006/12/02/dr-zakir-naiks-jawdropping-logic-224-or-is-it/#comment-4064</link>
		<dc:creator>Muslimah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 09:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True Citizen of the world,

Our Prophet Mohammad (saw) didn&#039;t write any book as he didn&#039;t learn how to read and write. He was &quot;Ummi&quot; means &quot;illiterate&quot;. But he was not Ignorant yet illiterate. He didn&#039;t need to learn reading and writing as Allah taught him directly.

To be Ignorant is more dangerous than to illiterate. So many people are ignorant yet they know how to write and read, pardon me, you are one of them.


About Modern and Updated science, yes we follow it too. Darwin&#039;s theory of Evolution is outdated now as it is proved that bone structure can not be change even the skin changes.

And tell me, if Evolution is true than why man needed to build Air plain? According to Darwin&#039;s theory, he should wish to fly and get the wings....but it didn&#039;t happen. And now where is Darwin&#039;s theory working? Which thing is changing now? If you wish to go in space, why do you need Oxygen mask? Why don&#039;t you produce Oxygen by yourself according to the theory?

And you know what? Science is a human observation and experiments based knowledge. A new experiment or observation can reject the previous proofs. So what do you say now? Please answer me....!

Quran is not been modified since it was revealed. About Uthman time line, he just added Dots on Arabic alphabets so that non Arabs can also read Quran easily as it was difficult to indifference between Tay and Bay (Arabic and Urdu alphabets) without Dots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True Citizen of the world,</p>
<p>Our Prophet Mohammad (saw) didn&#8217;t write any book as he didn&#8217;t learn how to read and write. He was &#8220;Ummi&#8221; means &#8220;illiterate&#8221;. But he was not Ignorant yet illiterate. He didn&#8217;t need to learn reading and writing as Allah taught him directly.</p>
<p>To be Ignorant is more dangerous than to illiterate. So many people are ignorant yet they know how to write and read, pardon me, you are one of them.</p>
<p>About Modern and Updated science, yes we follow it too. Darwin&#8217;s theory of Evolution is outdated now as it is proved that bone structure can not be change even the skin changes.</p>
<p>And tell me, if Evolution is true than why man needed to build Air plain? According to Darwin&#8217;s theory, he should wish to fly and get the wings&#8230;.but it didn&#8217;t happen. And now where is Darwin&#8217;s theory working? Which thing is changing now? If you wish to go in space, why do you need Oxygen mask? Why don&#8217;t you produce Oxygen by yourself according to the theory?</p>
<p>And you know what? Science is a human observation and experiments based knowledge. A new experiment or observation can reject the previous proofs. So what do you say now? Please answer me&#8230;.!</p>
<p>Quran is not been modified since it was revealed. About Uthman time line, he just added Dots on Arabic alphabets so that non Arabs can also read Quran easily as it was difficult to indifference between Tay and Bay (Arabic and Urdu alphabets) without Dots.</p>
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		<title>By: True Citizen of the World</title>
		<link>http://hawkeyeindia.wordpress.com/2006/12/02/dr-zakir-naiks-jawdropping-logic-224-or-is-it/#comment-4063</link>
		<dc:creator>True Citizen of the World</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 14:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whether Quran got corrupted or Bible is still in the original form, doesn&#039;t make either of them true or word from any God or Allah (both fictional).

We should reject both an follow the path shown by science which of reasoning, hypothesising, experimenting, and infering.

Today we are using airplanes or cars, thanks to science. Today we sleep in airconditioned rooms, thanks to science. Today we sit in front of a computer and can converse all over the world, thanks to science.

What has any religion given? Zilch. So why stick our asses to stupidity of religions or pinheads like Zakir Naik? Let&#039;s move on, forward, and show the world that we care a fuck about God or Allah (both fictional).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether Quran got corrupted or Bible is still in the original form, doesn&#8217;t make either of them true or word from any God or Allah (both fictional).</p>
<p>We should reject both an follow the path shown by science which of reasoning, hypothesising, experimenting, and infering.</p>
<p>Today we are using airplanes or cars, thanks to science. Today we sleep in airconditioned rooms, thanks to science. Today we sit in front of a computer and can converse all over the world, thanks to science.</p>
<p>What has any religion given? Zilch. So why stick our asses to stupidity of religions or pinheads like Zakir Naik? Let&#8217;s move on, forward, and show the world that we care a fuck about God or Allah (both fictional).</p>
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		<title>By: EveryonesFriend</title>
		<link>http://hawkeyeindia.wordpress.com/2006/12/02/dr-zakir-naiks-jawdropping-logic-224-or-is-it/#comment-4060</link>
		<dc:creator>EveryonesFriend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 03:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a big difference between reading a book or the quran, and actually understanding the text and putting it into context. Most of the non muslims commenting on this site, dont know their A**e from their elbow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a big difference between reading a book or the quran, and actually understanding the text and putting it into context. Most of the non muslims commenting on this site, dont know their A**e from their elbow.</p>
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		<title>By: PRCalDude</title>
		<link>http://hawkeyeindia.wordpress.com/2006/12/02/dr-zakir-naiks-jawdropping-logic-224-or-is-it/#comment-4056</link>
		<dc:creator>PRCalDude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 22:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moreover, Christians still have 5300 preserved manuscripts of our Scriptures, dating back to the first century, and we haven&#039;t burned any of ours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moreover, Christians still have 5300 preserved manuscripts of our Scriptures, dating back to the first century, and we haven&#8217;t burned any of ours.</p>
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		<title>By: PRCalDude</title>
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		<dc:creator>PRCalDude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 22:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not true. Those copies of the Qur&#039;an date to the time of Uthman, not before.  Uthman destroyed all of the other copies during the Uthmanic rescension, therefore we&#039;ll never know how corrupted the Qur&#039;an is from its original form.  You have no textual evidence for your claims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not true. Those copies of the Qur&#8217;an date to the time of Uthman, not before.  Uthman destroyed all of the other copies during the Uthmanic rescension, therefore we&#8217;ll never know how corrupted the Qur&#8217;an is from its original form.  You have no textual evidence for your claims.</p>
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		<title>By: TRUTH</title>
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		<dc:creator>TRUTH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 19:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JUST ONLY 1 VERSE IS SUFFICIENT TO PROVE QURAN IS WORD OF GOD
Surah Al Hijr, chapter 15 verse 9

&quot;We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption).&quot;

The Qur’an is the only religious scripture on the face of the earth which has been maintained it its original form. All the other religious scriptures, of all the other religions have interpolations, additions, deletions or revisions.
The Qur’an has been in the memory of a multitude of people, intact in its original form ever since its revelation, and now there are hundreds of thousands of people who have preserved it in their memory. Moreover, if you compare the copies made by Caliph Uthman from the original Qur’an which is yet present in the museum in Tashkent and in Koptaki museum in Turkey, they are the same as the ones we possess today</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JUST ONLY 1 VERSE IS SUFFICIENT TO PROVE QURAN IS WORD OF GOD<br />
Surah Al Hijr, chapter 15 verse 9</p>
<p>&#8220;We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption).&#8221;</p>
<p>The Qur’an is the only religious scripture on the face of the earth which has been maintained it its original form. All the other religious scriptures, of all the other religions have interpolations, additions, deletions or revisions.<br />
The Qur’an has been in the memory of a multitude of people, intact in its original form ever since its revelation, and now there are hundreds of thousands of people who have preserved it in their memory. Moreover, if you compare the copies made by Caliph Uthman from the original Qur’an which is yet present in the museum in Tashkent and in Koptaki museum in Turkey, they are the same as the ones we possess today</p>
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		<title>By: PRCalDude</title>
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		<dc:creator>PRCalDude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 17:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg Bahnsen on Islam:

&quot; Islam can be internally critiqued on its own presuppositions. Take an obvious example. The Koran acknowledges the words of Moses, David, and Jesus to be the words of prophets sent by Allah--in which case the Koran may be, on its own terms, refuted because of its contradictions with earlier revelation (cf. Deuteronomy 13:1-5). Sophisticated theologies offered by Muslim scholars interpret the theology of the Koran (cf. 42:11) as teaching the transcendence (tanzih) of unchanging Allah in such an extreme fashion that no human language (derived from changing experience) can positively and appropriately describe Allah--in which case the Koran rules out what the Koran claims to be. Then again, the Islamic worldview teaches that God is holy and just toward sin, but (unlike the theology of the Bible --see here the words of Moses, David, and Jesus) there can indeed be &quot;salvation&quot; where guilt remains unremitted by the shedding of blood of a substitute for the sinner. The legalism of Islam (good works weighed against bad) does not address this problem because a person&#039;s previous bad works are not changed by later good ones, but continue on one&#039;s record in the very sight Allah (who supposedly cannot tolerate sin but must punish it).[2] &quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg Bahnsen on Islam:</p>
<p>&#8221; Islam can be internally critiqued on its own presuppositions. Take an obvious example. The Koran acknowledges the words of Moses, David, and Jesus to be the words of prophets sent by Allah&#8211;in which case the Koran may be, on its own terms, refuted because of its contradictions with earlier revelation (cf. Deuteronomy 13:1-5). Sophisticated theologies offered by Muslim scholars interpret the theology of the Koran (cf. 42:11) as teaching the transcendence (tanzih) of unchanging Allah in such an extreme fashion that no human language (derived from changing experience) can positively and appropriately describe Allah&#8211;in which case the Koran rules out what the Koran claims to be. Then again, the Islamic worldview teaches that God is holy and just toward sin, but (unlike the theology of the Bible &#8211;see here the words of Moses, David, and Jesus) there can indeed be &#8220;salvation&#8221; where guilt remains unremitted by the shedding of blood of a substitute for the sinner. The legalism of Islam (good works weighed against bad) does not address this problem because a person&#8217;s previous bad works are not changed by later good ones, but continue on one&#8217;s record in the very sight Allah (who supposedly cannot tolerate sin but must punish it).[2] &#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: True Citizen of the World</title>
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		<dc:creator>True Citizen of the World</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 15:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What illogical thing have I said? Nothing. The fact is that Naik is talking totally illogically.

If I write a book and say it is the word of God, doesn&#039;t make it so. Similarly whatever Mohammed wrote in Quran is his writing not anyone elses. Naik blindly believes what is written in Quran. That&#039;s illogical.

There is absoloutely no evidence of what is written in Quran is true. In fact there are several things in the Quran which have now been falsified by science. To name a few -- Adam-Eve is false, truth is evolution; seven skies is false, the truth is several galaxies in space; mountains holing the earth in place is false, the truth is mountains are formed by the plate-movements of the earth; clot as start of human life is false, truth is zygote to embryo to foetus; and so on. One can go on and on to narrate the false things in Quran.

So ask Naik to stop his nonsense and try and live sensibly like a normal human.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What illogical thing have I said? Nothing. The fact is that Naik is talking totally illogically.</p>
<p>If I write a book and say it is the word of God, doesn&#8217;t make it so. Similarly whatever Mohammed wrote in Quran is his writing not anyone elses. Naik blindly believes what is written in Quran. That&#8217;s illogical.</p>
<p>There is absoloutely no evidence of what is written in Quran is true. In fact there are several things in the Quran which have now been falsified by science. To name a few &#8212; Adam-Eve is false, truth is evolution; seven skies is false, the truth is several galaxies in space; mountains holing the earth in place is false, the truth is mountains are formed by the plate-movements of the earth; clot as start of human life is false, truth is zygote to embryo to foetus; and so on. One can go on and on to narrate the false things in Quran.</p>
<p>So ask Naik to stop his nonsense and try and live sensibly like a normal human.</p>
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