Dr Zakir Naik’s Jawdropping Logic: 2+2=4 or Is It?

Question: Is this guy a ‘fundamentalist’ or a ‘moderate’ muslim?

p.s- This person is not from some other country. He is an Indian citizen.

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74 responses to “Dr Zakir Naik’s Jawdropping Logic: 2+2=4 or Is It?

  1. AlphaKatana

    From the wiki page, Zakir says “The pig is the most shameless animal on the face of the earth. It is the only animal that invites its friends to have sex with its mate. In America, most people consume pork. Many times after dance parties, they have swapping of wives; many say ‘you sleep with my wife and I will sleep with your wife.’ If you eat pigs then you behave like pigs.”

    LOL, If you are what you eat, then this guy must live on a diet of pure unadulterated bullshit.
    Your question should be compulsory for our ‘secular’ brethren.

  2. Varahmihir

    The question that are there any moderates in islam is definitely open ended one.
    Actually what is “moderate islam”?
    What specific characteristics or criterion defines a “moderate muslim”?
    There is only one real moderate muslim I can think of : Dr. APJ Abdul Kalam.
    Others feel free to nominate.

  3. I can’t believe this guy.

  4. Unbelievable. I have put a link on my blog (as well as Sulekha)…

  5. xyz

    Muslims seem to have to a serious problem of inferiority complex and too much of insecurity. That is the only reason I can think why these people have to speak so much or do much to prove that they are the only superior religion in the world! Give your Allah a break for sometime and I m sure He too will be relieved.

  6. if questions are asked about a religon it will be rude not to answer it dont you think

  7. Karen

    There are wonderful moderate faithful Muslims in this world. There are millions of them.

    Whether or not there is a moderate mainstream Islamic ideology is another matter.

    How much can you alter (or “reinterpret”) the Quran with it still being considered authentic in the eyes of believers?

  8. prince

    My god … this man is rediculous…
    He says
    Islam teaches 2+2=4

    Christianity, Hinduism and other religions teaches 2+2=3 and 2+2=6…..

    lol. why then most muslims and their parents goes to non-muslim school in actual school to study.

  9. D. Raychaudhuri

    Ridiculous doesn’t even begin to describe this fart-brained excuse of a human being …I do not know whether to laugh or defecate on this ludicrous, preposterous, absurd, and bizarre religion of Islam and its mouthpieces. It doesn’t really matter whether there are ‘good’ muslims–they are not the ones that are speaking out…

  10. True Citizen of the World

    Apart from APJ other liberal Muslims are Salman Rushdie and Taslima Nasreen. These have stood up against the tyranny of Islam.

    A comment which would be apt for Allah as depicted in Quran:
    “The Allah [of the Quran] is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”

  11. Waqas Mehmood

    Islam has the most perfect concept of God. It teaches that the God is one and only one. Quraan says:
    “Say: He is Allah, the One and Only. Allah, the Eternal, Absolute. He begetteth not, nor is He begotten. And there is none like unto Him.”
    So, the Allah of Quraan is absolute, while the other religions do not teach so.

    Quraan also talks about heaven and HELL and the punishment of the sinners.
    Respected readers! the Quraan is spreading the fear of no one but of Allah in the mind of humans. If there is NO FEAR of Allah, one man like Hitlor can become a superpower. So the fear of Allah or his punishment makes a man peaceful even when he is a superpower. Any man who believes in the Allah(as in Quraan), he will not do a sin even when there is no resistence against him, even when he is a king or a superpower.
    So, the fear of no one, but of Allah is important in Islam. Hope you got the message.

  12. AlphaKatana

    Waqas, the message ain’t loud and clear as Qur’an Chapter 9, Verse 29 says:

    Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e., Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah [tax] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
    ====
    Islamic texts encourage violence and aggression against people with other religious beliefs. In Saudi Arabia (Ummah’s guiding light) when a person has been killed or caused to die by another, the perpetrator has to pay blood money, or compensation, as follows:

    # 100,000 riyals if the victim is a Muslim man
    # 50,000 riyals if a Muslim woman
    # 50,000 riyals if a Christian man
    # 25,000 riyals if a Christian woman
    # 6,666 riyals if a Hindu man
    # 3,333 riyals if a Hindu woman

    This hierarchy is based on the Islamic legal definitions of human rights and is rooted in the Quran and Sharia (Islamic law). Why this religious and gender discrimination?

  13. aslam

    i agree with dr naik. dr naik is talking abt the muslims being right about their religion. and is explaining why in saudi arabia they choose to do this. He lives in india where they do not follow this. Hes only explaining why saudi do it.

  14. aslam

    to AlphaKatana

    Excuse me sir that verse is in the context of war! so dnt misquote things out of context. its very develish.

  15. @Shaheed and the guy above him and the one before which are edited.

    Comments should be relevant to the topic at hand.

  16. Ahmad

    To all those who criticize Islam

    Please make an unbiased and complete study of Islam before criticizing.

  17. Waqas Ahmed

    now all people tell me where dr. zakir worng ????
    this is your own comments… but the study of science prove that man act like what he eat…??
    but u people cant accept the truth… islam is the most peacefull religion of the world.

    waqas

  18. RAI.T.U.KHAN

    mr.zakir naik is right(regarding building of churches in saudia)do not forget this is the law of ALLAH whice can not be broken,and ALLAH only knows what was the wisdom for these orders.and stop critcize islam if some one is not believe it then they are only the friends of unbelievers,they are trying to make happy to non muslims and the tru muslim like zakir naik try to make happy ALLAH.may ALLAH bless him.

  19. Islam has never spread compulsion in religion rather the the holy Quran says : “There is no compulsion in religion. ”

    Dear my hindu brothers & sisters, i request you that whenever and whereever you find an Quranic verse being quoted, please try to check the context. I can quote numerous verses from bagwatgita and mahabharatha out of context which if a non-hindu reads it, he will feel it as barbaric faith, but when we come to know that those fightings were for the good against evil then nobody has problem with it.

    In the same way all the fightings and wars mentioned in Islam are for good against the evil, and they have been opted as last course of action.

    please reply me guys…

    salamalikum(May peace be upon you)

  20. Spewing propaganda and illogical BS is a favorite pastime of such Muslim ranting agents (MRAs). And ditto to all their defenders on this forum and others. Quit your propaganda and lies. Indeed, it should be put in context, which makes the verses even more violent and they are commands for all time and have been understood as such by leading Muslim jurists throughout centuries including revered ones like Ibn Khaldun, Ibn Kathir etc. So why dont you idiots (like FBI) refute Kathir and not us damn infidels who you hate so much anyway?

  21. Islam is a completely incoherent faith. Newer passages abrogate older ones. ‘Satanic verses’ are rubbed out of memory. Allah hasn’t even revealed himself – he’s revealed his will, which is fickle and self-contradictory. Muslims also used uninspired books (the Sunnah) to interpret their inspired book, the Quran. They say that the Bible, upon which the Quran rests, has been corrupted to disagree with Mohammed, except that the Quran itself testifies to the Bible’s inspiration.
    This is where the incoherence of people like Zakir Naik comes from. I’ve never seen him try to debate a legitimate scholar, like James White or Jay Smith.

  22. True Citizen of the World

    Zakir Naik is an Islamic fundamentalist fit to be called an asshole. Quran is full of contradictions and lies (not that other religion scriptures are not; they too are full of lies). But Quran has exceeded all limits in deploying nonsense which can be best called Satanic Verses, a name given by a noted and disstinguished writer and winner of booker of bookers, Salman Rushdie.

    Quran was written by Mohammed of Arabia, 1400 years ago who was a [edited- pls keep the discussion on topic] (having sex with a juvenile, 9 year old girl, at the age of 50 plus can be best described as rape- [ I think "Rape" is too strong a word to be used in this context.perhaps we should refrain from judging 7th century people with 21st century values, which itself is the result of centuries of reformation starting in the 15th century onwards and a minimum age limit of marriage for girls was not defined anywhere in the world till very recent times, perhaps starting with the UN human rights charter passed in 1945. - Ed].

  23. Ummahlover

    Did he say anything wrong? Why don’t you guys see other clips on youtube abt him? Don’t you know in hindusim, you are not suppose to belive in more than one god? Don’t you know you are not suppose to idol worship? Don’t you know you are allowed to eat meat? Who says this all? Dr.Zakir Naik? No your hindu scriptures. You don’t know because you never open one and read because you have never seen one. May be you have seen some videos of ramayana and mahabhart. It’s monopoli of bhramin in some taskshila. If you have read it you would have know “the truth” that the kalki avtar that you guys waiting is no one but Prophet Mohammed(PBUH).

    God bless you all!

  24. Ummahlover

    Just a correction: The only place to learn veads is not takshila vidaypith but it’s “kashi Vidyaphit” and you have to be bhramin to get addmition.
    Don’t you wonder why out of 678 only 23-30 chapters of vedas are in the market? The fact is 60% of vedas teches monotheism.

  25. True Citizen of the World

    Ummahlover, you are wrong. In Indian mythology and other Hindu texts, idol worship, polytheism, and even atheism are allowed.

    However, any religion be it Islam, Christinity, or Hinduism is bad. Because they are all based on false premises.

    Hindu books have been written by sages, some out of ignorance and some out of selfish interest. Quran was written by Mohammed solely out of selfish interest. Even though Quran was written by a single person Mohammed, still it has a lot of inconsistancies and errors.

    People like Zakir Naik are fooling the public saying that Quran has no errors. In fact it is a book that should be shunned urgently and by all Muslims. Only then can we be sure of peace.

  26. Suhail

    DEAR,true citizen of the world,

    From where did you get to know that QURAN was the book written by Muhammed(S.A.S).
    IT IS COMPLETELY WRONG.
    QURAN IS THE BOOK FROM ALLAH & ALLAH ALONE.
    THIS SHOWS THAT YOU HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE about ISLAM.
    And for your information Zakir Naik is not fooling any one.He is trying to preach the true religion of ISLAM and ALHAMDULLILAH he is doing it fine.He is practising islam in a proper way and trying to guide others also.

    RESPECTED NON-MUSLIMs,
    you please study islam, analayze THE TRUE FACT IN IT and dont just simply criticize it without any basic knowledge.

    MAY ALLAH GUIDE ME, YOU AND EVERYONE ON THE STRAIGHT PATH.AMEEN.

  27. True Citizen of the World

    Suhail, Just because Mohammed told that what ever he is preaching is told to him by Gabriel who in turn was told by Allah doesn’t make it true. The fact is that both Gabriel and Allah are fictional characters.

    Zakir Naik is himself fooled by Quran and so he in turn if fooling everyone else. If you ever listen to him you would find his talks full on nonsense.

    No fiction (like Allah) guide you or anyone else. You have to stand up and face reality. The reality being all religions, including Islam are created on false premises.

  28. Suhail

    THAT MEANS YOU ARE NOT BELIEVING IN ANY RELIGION.
    It is not just based on what you are saying.i have many strong reason to prove that quran is ALLAH s word.
    it was revealed 14000 years ago and it has many such facts like the , human birth that is the embryology ,astronomy ,geology and many other, which the modern scientist are still researching.Do you think MOHAMMED(p.b.u.h ) has travelled around the world to count the oceans and seas?who do you think has given him the exact no.?

    you can refer to the book named QURAN & THE MODERN SIENCE written by Dr MAURICE BUCAILLE. or THE BRIEF ILLUSTRATED GUIDE TO UNDERSTANDING ISLAM by I.A.IBRAHIM.

    The beautiful arabic grammar can be the words of no human kind,nor any angel. such are the words of ALLAH.
    I t has been discovered that Quran is consistent throughout where it says one thing is equal to another.
    for example:
    dunia (a word for life) has been mentioned 115 times and akhirat (life ater death )also 115 times
    .
    similarly men -24 and women -24
    hardship-114 and patience-114

    month-12
    day-365
    sea -32
    land-13
    IS THIS COINCIDENCE? Who taught mohammed(p.b.u.h ) all this?.ALMIGHTY ALLAH.

    i pray ALLAH to open our eyes and guide us on the straight path.
    AMEEN.

  29. humanity

    this is a wrong logic , hindus can give this same logic.
    o.k.
    there was nothing like islam in india till 10-11 A.D.
    when hindus say that ayodhya is sacred to lord ram, what the hell babar did to it , you were intruders, invaders with nothing to do with HINDUSTAN.
    most of you term aurenzeb gr8 and akbar a hypocrite

  30. humanity

    can anyone tell me why god came to help ppl in 7 a.d.(in the form of allah) or prohet mohammed and didn’t gave a damn earlier as science says earth came to existence millions of yrs ago????

  31. sameer

    [edited- irrelevant comment]

  32. ALLAHU AKBAR

    [edited-irrelevant comment]

  33. True Citizen of the World

    Suhail, theists of every religion will point out such numerous so called hidden truths in their scriptures too. Try with Hindu or Christian. With your logic all books of Hindus and Chritians too become the word of God. But how can that be as each contradicts each other? And not only that they contradict themselves too.

    Take a simple example from Quran which talks about Allah being omnipotent and omniscient. Now plain logic commands that one can’t be both at the same time. If Allah is omniscient, means he knows everything then he knows the future too, and if he know the future he can’t change it and ceases to be omnipotent. If he is all powerful, that is omnipotent, he can change anything at his will, and in this case he ceases to be omniscient.

    The other thing you talked about is embryology in Quran. This is totally faulty and has been picked up from the Greeks of those time. It talks of embryo as a clot, but the embryo is far from being a clot as it contains no blood. The clot theory arose from Greeks thinking that the women menses and men semen form the start of life in the womb which was copied by Mohammed in Quran.

    Mohammed copied the Biblical story of Adam-Eve as being create by fictitious Allah. Today we know that all species are a result of evolution and no species was ever independently created.

    Similarly, if you read Quran in depth, you will find numerous inconsistencies and a lot of hate for non-Muslims. That’s the reason you should shun Quran and shun all those like Zakir Naik who are out there to fool the public.

  34. Ummahlover

    “267. The ancestors of men are satisfied for one month with sesamum grains, rice, barley, masha beans, water, roots, and fruits, which have been given according to the prescribed rule,

    268. Two months with fish, three months with the meat of gazelles, four with mutton, and five indeed with the flesh of birds,
    269. Six months with the flesh of kids, seven with that of spotted deer, eight with that of the black antelope, but nine with that of the (deer called) Ruru,

    270. Ten months they are satisfied with the meat of boars and buffaloes, but eleven months indeed with that of hares and tortoises,

    271. One year with cow-milk and milk-rice; from the flesh of a long-eared white he-goat their satisfaction endures twelve years.”

    Chapter 3, Law of Manu (Manusmruti)

    “213. Nor (food) given without due respect, nor (that which contains) meat eaten for no sacred purpose, nor (that given) by a female who has no male (relatives), nor the food of an enemy, nor that (given) by the lord of a town, nor that (given) by outcasts, nor that on which anybody has sneezed;

    250. A couch, a house, Kusa grass, perfumes, water, flowers, jewels, sour milk, grain, fish, sweet milk, meat, and vegetables let him not reject, (if they are voluntarily offered.)

    27. One may eat meat when it has been sprinkled with water, while Mantras were recited, when Brahmanas desire (one’s doing it), when one is engaged (in the performance of a rite) according to the law, and when one’s life is in danger.”

    Chapter 4 Law of Manu (Manusmruti)

    There are the versis I found only in 3rd and 4th chapters of Manusmruti. No where it says it’s totally forbidden to eat meat. It says only for bhramins at someplaces. Show me one single verce in “Vedas” which forbid hindus from eating meat. It’s culture which you guys follow not a religion based on ancient scriptures. It clearly says in vedas that “uski koi pratima nahi hai”(he doesnt have any image). Although you guys make idols with your hand and worship. 60% of vedas talks about monothism but people don’t know as they never get chance to read them.

  35. True Citizen of the World

    Ummahlover, I don’t know why have you quoted from Manusmiti?

    If you want to tell that Hindus are allowed (by nonsensical sriptures) to eat meat, then let me inform you that a majority of Hindus eat meat. Some don’t and it is their personal choice because they do not want to kill animals.

    If you want to show that Manusmriti has some similar verses to the (nonsensical) Quran, let me tell you that you will find more that actually don’t agree.

    The fact of the matter is that both Manusmriti and Quran are hate-filled nonsensical manuals fit for the trash can at your home.

    Fortunately for Indians, Manusmriti was never implemented by any king. I think no king might have found it worthy for implementation. Hats off to such kings.

    However, for Quran, it has been implemented in some Islamic ountries and the state of women is pathetic. So please trash your copy of Quran as soon as possible and urge others to do so.

    People like Zakir Naik are spreading hatred throung Quran and so switch channel as soon as this idiod appears.

  36. Ummahlover

    hmm… I have a feeling that you are not a hindu. lol.
    To answer your question, why in the world I quoted from Manusmriti?: Simple. To give better answer to fellow hindus. If I would argue with a muslim guy, I will quote from Quran. make sence!
    Now as you sound athaist, it may not make sence to you. You really need to listen to Dr. Zakir’s other lectuers to clear all misconceptions. ;-)

  37. True Citizen of the World

    Ummahlover,

    Who says I am not Hindu? I am Hindu. And yes I am an atheist too. I think you don’t have a least bit understanding of the great Indian culture of several millennia. There is no Hindu who doesn’t consider me as a Hindu. There are Hindus who are monotheists (one god) Hindus, polytheists (many god) Hindus, atheists (no god) Hindus, idolator Hindus, non-idolator Hindus, vegetarian Hindus, non-vegetarian Hindus, beefeater Hindus, and so on. We have a lot of diversity, openness, and liberty.

    But how can you understand? Your Quran has made you a monotheist (nothing else), meat eaters (nothing else), non idolators (nothing else). You are nothing else except the book. You have been blinded by Quran.

    I had shown a flaw in Quran some messages above about Allah cannot be both omniscient and omnipotent at the same time.

    Your Zakir Naik talks very highly of Allah, who we anayway know is fictional and a bad character. But suppose for once we agree that Allah gave Quran, can you or that Naik tell us that why your Allah was so ignorant that he couldn’t see that his book Quran would be misused within 1400 years of its writing by terrorists all over the world? What kind of Allah is this who can’t even see this? Even a nice human, reading the Quran could have told hundreds of years ago that a lot of hate filled verses could be misused.

    What are you going to tell Hindus? Nothing. By reading selected verses from Manusmriti, you can’t prove anything because if you read all of Vedas and Upanishads you will find all kinds of theories about god in them and that includes no god or atheistic theories too.

    But do Hindus care about scriptures? Not much. We are independent thinkers and no book can rule us. We make our own secular laws and constitution which we have given to ourselves in India. In other countries like UK and US, Hindus are governed by the secular laws of those countries.

    If you want to live under Islamic barbarian laws of Mohammed written in the name of fictitious Allah, India and the secular world is not a place for you.

    Zakir Naik should be arrested and put behind bars for talking trash.

  38. True Citizen of the World

    AlphaKatana – December 21st, 2006 at 7:00 pm
    Qur’an Chapter 9, Verse 29 says: Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e., Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah [tax] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

    aslam – December 29th, 2006 at 6:49 am
    to AlphaKatana
    Excuse me sir that verse is in the context of war! so dnt misquote things out of context. its very develish.

    ————————————————————

    So Aslam, your Allah is allowed to spread hate in times of war! Why? And as far as jazia is concerned, it was implemented in times of peace too. Why do you have to stick to an Allah who spread hate? Why can’t you just shun that Allah? Get rid of that Allah? Get rid of Quran. Get rid o Islam. Renounce being a Muslim and be a nice human being who is not guided by a hate manual the Quran.

  39. hafsa_93@yahoo.com

    [edited- irrelevant comment]

  40. somi_babu@yahoo.com

    [edited- irrelevant comment]

  41. Devanampriya Piyadassi

    Do more research on this nutjob and you will find some interesting factoids.

    Naik is a terrorist:

    Thomas Blom Hansen, a sociologist at the University of Edinburgh, has written that Naik’s rhetoric and style made him quite popular in Mumbai. His thesis of “following pure Islam” through “Tarbiyah” and his scathing attacks on “Western society vis-a-vis Islam” are similar to the recruitment propaganda methods of the Islamic Fundamentalist group Students Islamic Movement of India (S.I.M.I. were the ones involved in the 2006 Mumbai bombings and have frequently assmebled mobs to launch anti-Hindu pogroms)

    Reference:
    Hansen, Thomas (2001). Wages of Violence: Naming and Identity in Postcolonial Bombay P177 (in English). Princeton University Press. ISBN 0-691-08840-3.

    Zakir Naik supports Osama bin-Laden:

    http://www.real-islam.org/audio/zakir_osama44.ram

    Zakir Naik is an Islamic Fundamentalist:

    Zakir Naik is against Freedom of Speech and wants to establish Sharia law in India so that Hindus are reduced to the status of Dhimmi (ahl-al-Dhimma) as they were during the Sultanate/Mughal Empire:

    [video src="http://www.real-islam.org/audio/freedomofspeech.wmv" /]

    Naik is a nut:

    A series of letters written by apostate of Islam Ali Sina to naik clearly show that Naik is afraid to debate with intelligent people:

    http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/ZakirNaik.htm

    Naik is a pseodohistorian:

    Naik claims that the [edited] Mohamed was predicted in the Vedas.

    Naik is friends with another Islamic Fundamentalist nutter named Ahmed Deedat, who is even crazier than Naik. Deedat is dead now, but he and Naik cooperated together when Deedat was alive.

    Deedat was affiliated to the bin-laden group (as in Osama bin-laden world’s #1 Muslim terrorist)

    http://english.aljazeera.net/news/archive/archive?ArchiveId=14235

    Deedat was an anti-Hindu bigot:

    http://www.indiaenews.com/africa/20060312/230.htm

    Academics have exposed Deedat’s false writings. Lloyd V. J. Ridgeon, professor of Islamic Studies at the University of Glasgow writes:

    Ahmed Deedat’s pamphlets are being recycled to a brand new British Muslim constituency. Thus, a new generation is exposed to his malicious new disinformations. The reason for the popularity of such polemicists as Ahmed Deedat is varied:Muslim self-understandings as “the best of all communities” leads them to suppose that Islam prevails over all religions. Combined with the wounded pride of living in a post-colonial world within the continuing hegemony of western culture,some dignity can at least be preserved by claimimg moral and religious superiority.

    Lloyd V.J. Ridgeon,Islamic Interpretations of Christianity P 214 (Palgrave Macmillan 2001 isbn = 0-312-23854-1)

    William Wagner, a theologist at the University of South Africa, writes that many Islamic organizations who disseminate Deedat’s works, such as the prominent “Islamic Books Store”, disseminate them with disclaimers qualifying his polemics as “militant” and “no holds-barred approach. Those apologetics of Muslims in Western countries would probably have a heart attack watching an Ahmed Deedat video”

    Wagner, William, How Islam plans to change the world,Kregel Publications, 2004 (P 142), ISBN:0825439655

    Africa correspondent for the London’s ”Independent” Karl Maier writes that Deedat’s rhetoric has made him very popular “in the underground of Islamic radicalism]]”

    Karl maier
    title = This House Has Fallen: Nigeria in crisis P164,Westview Press 0813340454

    The problem here is that these [edited] are allowed to run freely all over the world ans spread hatred and lies against non-Muslims, then incite violence against Hindus by Muslims. These terrorists should be hanging from lampposts.

    There is more on these people if you look for information.

  42. True Citizen of the World

    Devanampriya, reading all this is quite hair-raising. Can’t understand why Naik is not put behind bars? We should have no mercy for terrorist-minded people.

  43. Shafiq

    Well all these fighting without a conclusion. Dr. Zakir Naik is not someone perfect. There are points which I agree with him and others which I disagree. This is the same case with non-muslims too. Whether Islam is the truth does not lie on the speech of Dr naik or hinduism is false because Dr naik says so. Make a deep research by yourself. Without being biased. And Inshallah you’ll reach your conclusion…

  44. True Citizen of the World

    Shfaiq, Islam too is false. You don’t have go far but read Quran that has all kinds of contradictions.and biases. The reason why many peple are against Naik is because he is openly fooling people. He should be behind bars.

  45. Muslimah

    Salam to all. Here is the answer. Please dont misqoute Holy Verses.

    A few selected verses from the Qur’an are often misquoted to perpetuate the myth that Islam promotes violence, and exhorts its followers to kill those outside the pale of Islam.
    1. Verse from Surah Taubah

    The following verse from Surah Taubah is very often quoted by critics of Islam, to show that Islam promotes violence, bloodshed and brutality:

    “Kill the mushriqeen (pagans, polytheists, kuffar) where ever you find them.”
    [Al-Qur’an 9:5]
    2. Context of verse is during battlefield

    Critics of Islam actually quote this verse out of context. In order to understand the context, we need to read from verse 1 of this surah. It says that there was a peace treaty between the Muslims and the Mushriqs (pagans) of Makkah. This treaty was violated by the Mushriqs of Makkah. A period of four months was given to the Mushriqs of Makkah to make amends. Otherwise war would be declared against them. Verse 5 of Surah Taubah says:

    “But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is oft-forgiving, Most merciful.”
    [Al-Qur’an 9:5]

    This verse is quoted during a battle.
    3. Example of war between America and Vietnam

    We know that America was once at war with Vietnam. Suppose the President of America or the General of the American Army told the American soldiers during the war: “Wherever you find the Vietnamese, kill them”. Today if I say that the American President said, “Wherever you find Vietnamese, kill them” without giving the context, I will make him sound like a butcher. But if I quote him in context, that he said it during a war, it will sound very logical, as he was trying to boost the morale of the American soldiers during the war.

    4. Verse 9:5 quoted to boost morale of Muslims during battle

    Similarly in Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 5 the Qur’an says, “Kill the Mushriqs where ever you find them”, during a battle to boost the morale of the Muslim soldiers. What the Qur’an is telling Muslim soldiers is, don’t be afraid during battle; wherever you find the enemies kill them.
    5. Shourie jumps from verse 5 to verse 7

    Arun Shourie is one of the staunchest critics of Islam in India. He quotes the same verse, Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 5 in his book ‘The World of Fatwahs’, on page 572. After quoting verse 5 he jumps to verse 7 of Surah Taubah. Any sensible person will realise that he has skipped verse 6.
    6. Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 6 gives the answer

    Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 6 gives the answer to the allegation that Islam promotes violence, brutality and bloodshed. It says:

    “If one amongst the pagans ask thee for asylum,grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure that is because they are men without knowledge.”
    [Al-Qur’an 9:6]

    The Qur’an not only says that a Mushriq seeking asylum during the battle should be granted refuge, but also that he should be escorted to a secure place. In the present international scenario, even a kind, peace-loving army General, during a battle, may let the enemy soldiers go free, if they want peace. But which army General will ever tell his soldiers, that if the enemy soldiers want peace during a battle, don’t just let them go free, but also escort them to a place of security?

    This is exactly what Allah (swt) says in the Glorious Qur’an to promote peace in the world.

  46. Muslimah

    It is a common complaint among some non-Muslims that Islam would not have millions of adherents all over the world, if it had not been spread by the use of force. The following points will make it clear, that far from being spread by the sword, it was the inherent force of truth, reason and logic that was responsible for the rapid spread of Islam.

    1. Islam means peace.

    Islam comes from the root word ‘salaam’, which means peace. It also means submitting one’s will to Allah (swt). Thus Islam is a religion of peace, which is acquired by submitting one’s will to the will of the Supreme Creator, Allah (swt).

    2. Sometimes force has to be used to maintain peace.

    Each and every human being in this world is not in favour of maintaining peace and harmony. There are many, who would disrupt it for their own vested interests. Sometimes force has to be used to maintain peace. It is precisely for this reason that we have the police who use force against criminals and anti-social elements to maintain peace in the country. Islam promotes peace. At the same time, Islam exhorts it followers to fight where there is oppression. The fight against oppression may, at times, require the use of force. In Islam force can only be used to promote peace and justice.

    3. Opinion of historian De Lacy O’Leary.

    The best reply to the misconception that Islam was spread by the sword is given by the noted historian De Lacy O’Leary in the book ’Islam at the cross road’ (Page 8):

    ’History makes it clear however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myth that historians have ever repeated.’

    4. Muslims ruled Spain for 800 years.

    Muslims ruled Spain for about 800 years. The Muslims in Spain never used the sword to force the people to convert. Later the Christian Crusaders came to Spain and wiped out the Muslims. There was not a single Muslim in Spain who could openly give the adhan, that is the call for prayers.

    5. 14 million Arabs are Coptic Christians.

    Muslims were the lords of Arabia for 1400 years. For a few years the British ruled, and for a few years the French ruled. Overall, the Muslims ruled Arabia for 1400 years. Yet today, there are 14 million Arabs who are Coptic Christians i.e. Christians since generations. If the Muslims had used the sword there would not have been a single Arab who would have remained a Christian.

    6. More than 80% non-Muslims in India.

    The Muslims ruled India for about a thousand years. If they wanted, they had the power of converting each and every non-Muslim of India to Islam. Today more than 80% of the population of India are non-Muslims. All these non-Muslim Indians are bearing witness today that Islam was not spread by the sword.

    7. Indonesia and Malaysia.

    Indonesia is a country that has the maximum number of Muslims in the world. The majority of people in Malaysia are Muslims. May one ask, ’Which Muslim army went to Indonesia and Malaysia?’

    8. East Coast of Africa.

    Similarly, Islam has spread rapidly on the East Coast of Africa. One may again ask, if Islam was spread by the sword, ’Which Muslim army went to the East Coast of Africa?’

    9. Thomas Carlyle.

    The famous historian, Thomas Carlyle, in his book ’Heroes and Hero worship’, refers to this misconception about the spread of Islam: ’The sword indeed, but where will you get your sword? Every new opinion, at its starting is precisely in a minority of one. In one man’s head alone. There it dwells as yet. One man alone of the whole world believes it, there is one man against all men. That he takes a sword and try to propagate with that, will do little for him. You must get your sword! On the whole, a thing will propagate itself as it can.’

    10. No compulsion in religion.

    With which sword was Islam spread? Even if Muslims had it they could not use it to spread Islam because the Qur’an says in the following verse:

    ’Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from error’ [Al-Qur’an 2:256]

    11. Sword of the Intellect.

    It is the sword of intellect. The sword that conquers the hearts and minds of people. The Qur’an says in Surah Nahl, chapter 16 verse 125:

    ’Invite (all) to the way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious.’ [Al-Qur’an 16:125]

    12. Increase in the world religions from 1934 to 1984.

    An article in Reader’s Digest ‘Almanac’, year book 1986, gave the statistics of the increase of percentage of the major religions of the world in half a century from 1934 to 1984. This article also appeared in ‘The Plain Truth’ magazine. At the top was Islam, which increased by 235%, and Christianity had increased only by 47%. May one ask, which war took place in this century which converted millions of people to Islam?

    13. Islam is the fastest growing religion in America and Europe.

    Today the fastest growing religion in America is Islam. The fastest growing religion in Europe in Islam. Which sword is forcing people in the West to accept Islam in such large numbers?

    14. Dr. Joseph Adam Pearson.

    Dr. Joseph Adam Pearson rightly says, ’People who worry that nuclear weaponry will one day fall in the hands of the Arabs, fail to realize that the Islamic bomb has been dropped already, it fell the day MUHAMMED (pbuh) was born’

  47. Mohammad Rafi

    To my all brothers and sisters of humnity,

    I am dead surprised the way Islam is being mispresented in the media just like the above video clip.

    Death penalty is allowed to be given to a muslim if he rejects Islam is only in an Islamic country not in a muslim mejority country neither as a general rule to any muslim living any parts of the world the way most of you have got an impression.

    After you have digested the reality of the situation let me allow you to enlighten the reason behind it.

    Unlike any other system that is adopted by any other country, an Islamic country is run by the fundamental laws of Quran and the teachings of our beloved Prophet Mohammad ( peace be upon him) . Thus in an Islamic country only a muslim is fit to serve in the arm forces , to take part in the goverment and to protect the country from invaders. Hence his field of duty is not only to pray but also to perform the essential jobs of the country.In such climex if a muslim (person who has submitted his will to almighty God) changes his faith he is as good as joined the enemy as he has abadoned his duty.

    For instance, if an Indian soldier during a war with Pakistan takes out his uniform and dresses up like a Pakistani soldier and starts fighting against his former Indian brothers and if you were the Field Marshal of India what verdict will you give to him anything short of death penalty?And wouldn’t that be a common rule for every soldier? And if anyperson plans to betray his country wouldn’t this fear of death will keep if out of joining Army in the first place?

    Similarly in an Islamic state any muslim rejects his faith will surely be put to death. And any non muslim wishes to embrace Islam will be aware of the rule.If a muslim wishes to reject the faith in an Islamic country then he must leave the country.But do you know of any true soldier who betrays his countray? Neither do I know of any true muslim who rejects Islam.

    Point to be noted brothers and sisters that there is no 100% Islamic country presently.Thus this rule isn’t implemented in any country.

    That is what Dr. Zakir Naik said. Don’t belive? Repeat the question that was asked.THE RULE IS ONLY ADOPTED IN AN ISLAMIC COUNTRY.LATER THE SREAKER IN URDU GIVING YOU HIS OWN LIES.

    Try to know about Islam today before its too late. Zakir Naik never speaks any lies neither Islam is agaist humanity.

    Of all the people, “True citizen of the World” needs help. Regarding his theory he says:

    “Take a simple example from Quran which talks about Allah being omnipotent and omniscient. Now plain logic commands that one can’t be both at the same time. If Allah is omniscient, means he knows everything then he knows the future too, and if he know the future he can’t change it and ceases to be omnipotent. If he is all powerful, that is omnipotent, he can change anything at his will, and in this case he ceases to be omniscient.”

    Allah can very well have the two qualities simontaneously. What makes this moron think that he can’t be All knowing and All poweful.He knows that in the future people like this will try to insult the Quran and his messenger.Thus to counter them Allah says in Quran,
    “They are deaf, dumb and blind. So they return not(to the right path) “(chapter 2:17)

  48. Ummahlover

    “33. Let him use without hesitation the sacred texts, revealed by Atharvan and by Angiras; speech, indeed, is the weapon of the Brahmana, with that he may slay his enemies”
    Manusmuriti Chapter 11

  49. True Citizen of the World

    Muslimah and Mohammad Rafi

    The fact is that Quran does contain verses of violence and killing. That is enough to say that Islam is also violence.

    If Quran is supposed to the word of some sky-deity Allah who has all knowledge, why couldn’t this Allah have the knowledge that in 1400 years the same verses would be used to support terrorism? So did Allah really have the knowledge at all?

    The fact is that Allah is a creation of Mohammed. Mohammed used and abused his powers during his life. The result of this is that we have a book called Quran which is supposed to be trashed and we have a religion called Islam which is supposed to be abondened.

  50. Ummahlover

    ufff ignorent people!!

  51. Muslimah

    By True Citizen of the World(The fact is that Allah is a creation of Mohammed.)

    Allah is absulote, the Creator of all. He is NOT a creation. There is no one like him.

  52. Muslimah

    http://www.harunyahya.com/signs_design_01.php

    Read this book.

    BTW, Allah is the name of God in Arabic.

    About voilence and terror, Yes we Muslims are terrorists for wrong doers. Like a Policeman, who is terrorist for a criminal. The criminal gets terrified whenever he sees a policeman.

    Al Hamdu Lillah we have achieved this position.

  53. Muslimah

    Also this “Allah is known through reasons”

    http://www.harunyahya.com/A_tr_preface.php

    and

    “Islam Denounces Terrorism”

    http://www.harunyahya.com/presentation/islam_denounces/

  54. True Citizen of the World

    Muslimah, how do you know that Allah is absolute, creator, an there is no one like him? How?

    There is absolutely no evidence of this. Only a book written by Mohammed 1400 years ago is no evidence.

    I am not talking about policemen, I am talking about Islamic terrorists who recite the Quran and blast 100’s of innocents in Mumbai suburban train or 100’s of innocent Hindus in Akshardham temple, or thousands in World Trade Center of America.

    And if you are proud to be such a terrorist, shame on you, your book Quran that makes you so, and your self acclaimed prophet Mohammed of a fictitious Allah whose lust for power and women made the world a horrible place today.

  55. M.D . Asif

    Mai quaran aur sahi hadish par amal karta hoon.sunnat tarike se salaha parne wale maszid door hai 5 time wahan ja nahi sakta hamare mohalla main tublicki jammat ki taadad jyada hai aur iske aqide ke bare me app ko malum hai kya tabliki jammat ki immam ke picche hamari namaz ho gi

  56. True Citizen of the World,

    What is your source of islam? When you claim that Quran isn’t written by God, do you say that after reading it? How many proof you need? You will get more than you can image if you read it once.

    Peace

  57. True Citizen of the World

    By repeating a lie a zillion times does not make it true. So you can continue inisting that Quran is written by Allah, but the fact will remain that Allah is fiction and Quran was written by Mohammed.

    Zakir Naik and other Islamic zealots are so blinded that Islam has become another name for terrorism. And the proof is visible because even ordinary Muslims do not even once question the authenticity of the author of Quran.

  58. The Quran is not written by God because it contradicts earlier revelation by God in the Bible. It is also is internally self – contradictory, with later surahs abrogating earlier ones.

    Surahs 5:46-47 testify to the divine inspiration of the Bible, but the Quran can’t seem to remain consistent with the Bible.

  59. yisak

    Citizen of the world
    you are speaking a lot of illogical things.

  60. True Citizen of the World

    What illogical thing have I said? Nothing. The fact is that Naik is talking totally illogically.

    If I write a book and say it is the word of God, doesn’t make it so. Similarly whatever Mohammed wrote in Quran is his writing not anyone elses. Naik blindly believes what is written in Quran. That’s illogical.

    There is absoloutely no evidence of what is written in Quran is true. In fact there are several things in the Quran which have now been falsified by science. To name a few — Adam-Eve is false, truth is evolution; seven skies is false, the truth is several galaxies in space; mountains holing the earth in place is false, the truth is mountains are formed by the plate-movements of the earth; clot as start of human life is false, truth is zygote to embryo to foetus; and so on. One can go on and on to narrate the false things in Quran.

    So ask Naik to stop his nonsense and try and live sensibly like a normal human.

  61. Greg Bahnsen on Islam:

    ” Islam can be internally critiqued on its own presuppositions. Take an obvious example. The Koran acknowledges the words of Moses, David, and Jesus to be the words of prophets sent by Allah–in which case the Koran may be, on its own terms, refuted because of its contradictions with earlier revelation (cf. Deuteronomy 13:1-5). Sophisticated theologies offered by Muslim scholars interpret the theology of the Koran (cf. 42:11) as teaching the transcendence (tanzih) of unchanging Allah in such an extreme fashion that no human language (derived from changing experience) can positively and appropriately describe Allah–in which case the Koran rules out what the Koran claims to be. Then again, the Islamic worldview teaches that God is holy and just toward sin, but (unlike the theology of the Bible –see here the words of Moses, David, and Jesus) there can indeed be “salvation” where guilt remains unremitted by the shedding of blood of a substitute for the sinner. The legalism of Islam (good works weighed against bad) does not address this problem because a person’s previous bad works are not changed by later good ones, but continue on one’s record in the very sight Allah (who supposedly cannot tolerate sin but must punish it).[2] “

  62. TRUTH

    JUST ONLY 1 VERSE IS SUFFICIENT TO PROVE QURAN IS WORD OF GOD
    Surah Al Hijr, chapter 15 verse 9

    “We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption).”

    The Qur’an is the only religious scripture on the face of the earth which has been maintained it its original form. All the other religious scriptures, of all the other religions have interpolations, additions, deletions or revisions.
    The Qur’an has been in the memory of a multitude of people, intact in its original form ever since its revelation, and now there are hundreds of thousands of people who have preserved it in their memory. Moreover, if you compare the copies made by Caliph Uthman from the original Qur’an which is yet present in the museum in Tashkent and in Koptaki museum in Turkey, they are the same as the ones we possess today

  63. Not true. Those copies of the Qur’an date to the time of Uthman, not before. Uthman destroyed all of the other copies during the Uthmanic rescension, therefore we’ll never know how corrupted the Qur’an is from its original form. You have no textual evidence for your claims.

  64. Moreover, Christians still have 5300 preserved manuscripts of our Scriptures, dating back to the first century, and we haven’t burned any of ours.

  65. EveryonesFriend

    There’s a big difference between reading a book or the quran, and actually understanding the text and putting it into context. Most of the non muslims commenting on this site, dont know their A**e from their elbow.

  66. True Citizen of the World

    Whether Quran got corrupted or Bible is still in the original form, doesn’t make either of them true or word from any God or Allah (both fictional).

    We should reject both an follow the path shown by science which of reasoning, hypothesising, experimenting, and infering.

    Today we are using airplanes or cars, thanks to science. Today we sleep in airconditioned rooms, thanks to science. Today we sit in front of a computer and can converse all over the world, thanks to science.

    What has any religion given? Zilch. So why stick our asses to stupidity of religions or pinheads like Zakir Naik? Let’s move on, forward, and show the world that we care a fuck about God or Allah (both fictional).

  67. True Citizen of the world,

    Our Prophet Mohammad (saw) didn’t write any book as he didn’t learn how to read and write. He was “Ummi” means “illiterate”. But he was not Ignorant yet illiterate. He didn’t need to learn reading and writing as Allah taught him directly.

    To be Ignorant is more dangerous than to illiterate. So many people are ignorant yet they know how to write and read, pardon me, you are one of them.

    About Modern and Updated science, yes we follow it too. Darwin’s theory of Evolution is outdated now as it is proved that bone structure can not be change even the skin changes.

    And tell me, if Evolution is true than why man needed to build Air plain? According to Darwin’s theory, he should wish to fly and get the wings….but it didn’t happen. And now where is Darwin’s theory working? Which thing is changing now? If you wish to go in space, why do you need Oxygen mask? Why don’t you produce Oxygen by yourself according to the theory?

    And you know what? Science is a human observation and experiments based knowledge. A new experiment or observation can reject the previous proofs. So what do you say now? Please answer me….!

    Quran is not been modified since it was revealed. About Uthman time line, he just added Dots on Arabic alphabets so that non Arabs can also read Quran easily as it was difficult to indifference between Tay and Bay (Arabic and Urdu alphabets) without Dots.

  68. True Citizen of the World

    Muslimah, you have absolutely no knowledge of science and Darwin’s Evolution. And one can see that Quran has totally blinded you so you can’t see what is true.

    With the discovery of genetics, Darwin’s evolution is yet proven again and now we have even discovered how birds evolved from dinosaurs. With each new discovery of fossils, Darwin’s Evolution gets provn again and again.

    Evolution is such a slow process that it has taken 4 billion years for species like humans to evolve. Human skeletons found over 50,000 years old are slightly different from modern humans as our forehead has become broader than them. This is evidence that we are evolving.

    In evolution only such parts or limbs develop that are not “irreducably complex”. For example wheel is one such thing that is irreducably complex and hence we don’t see any species that has wheels. If species are created by Allah, why is Allah so dumb as not to see the benefits of wheel, so why hasn’t this Allah made any species with wheels instead of legs. Does Allah lack knowledge of wheels? The reason is that Allah doesn’t exist so how can he design wheels.

    We evolve, that’s now beyond doubt, so it would be wise to kick out the likes of Zakir Naik and stop their nonsense.

  69. Ok. I will be now disabling comments on this post since the discussion on this topic has gone on and on for a long enough time.

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